Spiritual Advice and Guidance Blog: Urantia Book

Q: Please, in your opinion, what is the difference between the Will of the Universal Father and the Will of the Eternal Son? I just discovered from The Urantia Book that there is the Will of the Eternal Son and the Will of the Father as I was reading about Magisterial Sons being subjected to the Will of the Eternal Son and not to the Universal Father. I am quite perplexed about it.

A: I wonder if this is the reference you are asking about:

(20:6.5) The mortal-bestowal careers of the Michaels and the Avonals, while comparable in most respects, are not identical in all: Never does a Magisterial Son proclaim, "Whosoever has seen the Son has seen the Father," as did your Creator Son when on Urantia and in the flesh. But a bestowed Avonal does declare, "Whosoever has seen me has seen the Eternal Son of God." The Magisterial Sons are not of immediate descent from the Universal Father, nor do they incarnate subject to the Father's will; always do they bestow themselves as Paradise Sons subject to the will of the Eternal Son of Paradise.

This Eternal Son is the second person of the Trinity. Most religions assume that Jesus is this person, but we know from Urantia Book revelation that he is not. Instead, Jesus is a Creator Son on the order of Michael, and he is of origin in the Universal Father, whereas, Magisterial Sons are called Paradise Sons, originating in the Eternal Son.

(7:6.5) Much as the Creator Sons are personalized by the Father and the Son, so are the Magisterial Sons personalized by the Son and the Spirit. These are the Sons who, in the experiences of creature incarnation, earn the right to serve as the judges of survival in the creations of time and space.

I am answering you in a sort of roundabout way, but I think it will help you to understand better if you can bear with me here. I would suggest you first read about the Seven Master Spirits In this section, we learn about the "associative possibilities mathematically inherent in the factual existence of the three persons of Deity."

And they all evidently have their own "will aspects" of Deity.

Getting a grasp on the idea of the Seven Master Spirits will help you to understand this next passage. I offer it as an example in which Jesus was subject to all of these "wills" of all seven of the Master Spirits in his seven bestowals in our universe.

(119:8.4) These various will aspects of the Deities are eternally personalized in the differing natures of the Seven Master Spirits, and each of Michael's bestowals was peculiarly revelatory of one of these divinity manifestations. On his Melchizedek bestowal he manifested the united will of the Father, Son, and Spirit, on his Lanonandek bestowal the will of the Father and the Son; on the Adamic bestowal he revealed the will of the Father and the Spirit, on the seraphic bestowal the will of the Son and the Spirit; on the Uversa mortal bestowal he portrayed the will of the Conjoint Actor, on the morontia mortal bestowal the will of the Eternal Son; and on the Urantia material bestowal he lived the will of the Universal Father, even as a mortal of flesh and blood.

Jesus, being a Creator Son, and of origin in the Father, is subject finally to the will of the Father, and all the other "divinity manifestations." But Magisterial Sons are of origin in the Eternal Son, as in the first quote above:

"The Magisterial Sons are not of immediate descent from the Universal Father, nor do they incarnate subject to the Father's will; always do they bestow themselves as Paradise Sons subject to the will of the Eternal Son of Paradise."

This is referring to the second Master Spirit, that of the Eternal Son. Magisterial Sons do bestow themselves on planets such as ours, and I expect they are subject to the will of the Eternal Son because that is their point of origin, as in the above quote.

But you might assume that since the Eternal Son is one of the Trinity, then he is on an equal footing with God the Father, and so, maybe the difference is academic in the end...or maybe not. The Trinity is a mystery beyond my comprehension....

I am not sure if this adequately answers your question, but I hope it has given you some material to study, so that you understand these distinctions.

Thanks again for this great question - keep reading!!!

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Friday, March 20, 2009

Who is God the Supreme and God the Ultimate?

Q: If the Universal Father is the God of all creation, the First Source and Center, and perfect in all aspects then who is God the Supreme and God the Ultimate?

A: Our God is a wonderful administrator, as well as the Universal Father, God of all creation and "perfect in all aspects." He is the perfect Executive, among all of his other sterling attributes.

What makes a perfect executive? Well, good executives always delegate authority. The Universal Father has delegated authority in the persons of the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, for starters, creating the perfect Trinity. It is a mystery, but this Trinity of the persons of God are, like him, eternally present, having had no beginning. A great mystery, but true nonetheless.

Together with the three persons of the Trinity, there are four other Deity manifestations -seven in all You have named God the Supreme, and God the Ultimate:

God the Supremeâ€”the actualizing or evolving God of time and space. Personal Deity associatively realizing the time-space experiential achievement of creature-Creator identity. The Supreme Being is personally experiencing the achievement of Deity unity as the evolving and experiential God of the evolutionary creatures of time and space.p4:9(0:2.12)

It is through the Supreme that the First Source and Center experiences individuality and creation. God the Supreme allows the Universal Father to experience growth - the growth of the time-space creations. The Universal Father, in and of himself, is already perfect, as you pointed out. He has no need to experience growth, as he is perfect. Through the Supreme, he is able to escape that "limitation."

Having achieved existential Deity expression of himself in the Son and the Spirit, the Father is now achieving experiential expression on hitherto impersonal and unrevealed deity levels as God the Supreme, God the Ultimate, and God the Absolute; but these experiential Deities are not now fully existent; they are in process of actualization. p10:11 (0:7.4)

Finally:

Do not entertain the idea that, since the Universal Father has delegated so much of himself and his power to others, he is a silent or inactive member of the Deity partnership. Aside from personality domains and Adjuster bestowal, he is apparently the least active of the Paradise Deities in that he allows his Deity co-ordinates, his Sons, and numerous created intelligences to perform so much in the carrying out of his eternal purpose. He is the silent member of the creative trio only in that he never does aught which any of his co-ordinate or subordinate associates can do. p362:5(32:4.1)

So, to sum up: The Universal Father is, was and always will be. He had no beginning and he will have no end. His is primal force and power. The Son is the Father's divine Word, and the Spirit is eternal Action. All three are eternal, and have no beginning or end. The remaining Deity manifestations are experiential and evolutionary. They did have a beginning, but will have no end, as they eventually manifest their purposes in the Universe of Universes.

So, even though God is indeed, perfect in himself, he has created a situation where he is able to escape that perfection to such an extent that he can actually experience imperfection. Another way he does this is to bestow himself in the form of the Thought Adjusters, and so, he even experiences the day-to-day lives of even his lowliest creatures like you and me.

To me, it seems a brilliant plan - and who could expect any less of our great and good Spirit Father?

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